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Reler · Oct 11, 2009, 11:37 AM // 11:37

I admit I did it too!
I was planning on a weekend MQSC but found out in ingame chat about rr-day. I was already wondering why eu german 1 aspenwood gate was rather empty.
I decided to see what the fuzz was all about and made a few k that way.

With the rules of conduct I think the following 2 are the most important.

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19. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com.

This `bug` is not really a bug but more of a hidden feature, created by themselves. It is known/possible now for quite a few months. They had all the time in the world to fix it. Yet they did not.
If you google for it you'll find notes from as early as may and april about red resigns. I might have to do with this thread that it was extra busy this time.

Anet has a history of creating their own loopholes that they did not fix or fix very late.
Eg. deadleveling, 55-monk, perma SF, speedclears, vaettir/keg farm, hfff, basin farming, and the list goes on and on.
Who's to blame? The people finding out and using these `cheats`? Or their own quality/dev-team?
IMO it is Anet self that is to blame for the situation they created.
A lot of people are happy with these `cheats`, except for a few players that cry foul even tough they are not affected by it.

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24. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

They might take action on this point.
The ladders aren't that different now. You have a 50/50 change of being red, thus 50% winning/50% loosing and the odd die hard that do battle anyway.
So imo no harm done.

Anyway if I loose my account so be it.
10k or more other people will do so as well then (69 american districts, 11 international and a whole bunch of european districts * 100 people), which is a rather large amount of players.

Akaraxle · Oct 11, 2009, 12:01 PM // 12:01

This is what happens when you give out PvE rewards for PvP: carebears find a way to farm it.

Hyperventilate · Oct 11, 2009, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by harpharp

hmm is it just me, or does everyone fail to see the positive part of this?

HB is now popular! on any rr day you will "see" a lot of happy faces! this is one thing where the community gets together! in fact some players decided to actually play even tho they are new to it judging from their builds but they were even sporting abt it when they lose! so yea, rr actually gets more players to play HB.

RR takes away from the "locals" who simply play HB because they enjoy it. Those "happy faces" are only there because it's the z-combat. Not because they enjoy it. Sure, I don't doubt people stick around afterward when they see they like it.

But, what about the people who enjoy HB because they like the style or just because they're the frequenter of the arena.

I didn't make many friends when people found out the Fort Aspenwood resign glitch. I'm a local (On both sides) and I refused to resign only because I don't support an easy win, and I really enjoy playing.

Unfortunately, I highly doubt anything will be done about RR day only because HB is being removed (Or changed. However you want to look at it.), but perhaps it'll allow them to assess the situation and prevent it for future PvP.

I take the extremest approach and say ban the match manipulators. The Z-Combat should be fun, not a job.

MuC · Oct 11, 2009, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

I take the extremest approach and say ban the match manipulators. The Z-Combat should be fun, not a job.

Banning that amount of ppl is just impossible.

akio pwns · Oct 11, 2009, 01:25 PM // 13:25

to really fix this so called cheating everyone is doing, and me myself, when anet changes ta+hb to sealed decks... let leaving or resigning count towards dishonorable. Very simple, cant leave or resign or u get a temp ban for 5 min and longer if you repeat. Its going to work, z keys will still go out like crazy but its limits it toa point.

I also think this is anets way of giving us the XTH for now since its down, even though its throwing out mre zkeys then the XTH. Could be possible with the BIG update that house comes back up.

Karate Jesus · Oct 11, 2009, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

RR takes away from the "locals" who simply play HB because they enjoy it. Those "happy faces" are only there because it's the z-combat. Not because they enjoy it. Sure, I don't doubt people stick around afterward when they see they like it.

But, what about the people who enjoy HB because they like the style or just because they're the frequenter of the arena.

I didn't make many friends when people found out the Fort Aspenwood resign glitch. I'm a local (On both sides) and I refused to resign only because I don't support an easy win, and I really enjoy playing.

Unfortunately, I highly doubt anything will be done about RR day only because HB is being removed (Or changed. However you want to look at it.), but perhaps it'll allow them to assess the situation and prevent it for future PvP.

I take the extremest approach and say ban the match manipulators. The Z-Combat should be fun, not a job.

Actually, almost every person I know who "frequents" HB absolutely loves RR day. Usually for 2 reasons. 1) They get zkeys for doing something they enjoy. 2) They get TONS of title points farming idiots who either resign or are plain terrible at HB.

Why would any regular HBer have a problem with RR day? It's like Christmas for them. Either you don't actually know anyone who HB's or you're just making shit up. Either way.....you're wrong.

EDIT: Oh, and RR day is actually what got me into HB. I love HB now and if it weren't for RR day, I would have no idea that it was this much fun. Sure, it's a degenerative meta and the builds are all practically the same, but I'm still having fun with it for now.

Taddayo Kun · Oct 11, 2009, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by killerbot3009

when i am doing the HB zquest, i just refuse to resign when i am red, which mainly ends up in me winning all the games lol, but then i just get flammed at by pve nabs, just on the last HB zcombat, i managed to fill up my ignore list. getting kinda annoyed now.

Ever heard of Do Not Disturb?

Splinter Slinger · Oct 11, 2009, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Id say that they will just take HB out of the Mission rotation

HawkofStorms · Oct 11, 2009, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

But, what about the people who enjoy HB because they like the style or just because they're the frequenter of the arena.

You tell all 20 of them to suck it up and wait till tomorrow.

Seriously, didn't Regina post explaining why they are removing HBs include a statistic that Random Arenas is played about 25 times more often in a month then HB?

I'm betting that those numbers included those playing during RR day. How many people do you think actually play HB when you don't take that into affect?

gone · Oct 11, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Lmmfao @ all the 'cheaters' around. looks like this place alone is rife with them. Hopefully all of you will be dealt with. Harshly.

Arkantos · Oct 11, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by flubber

Lmmfao @ all the 'cheaters' around. looks like this place alone is rife with them. Hopefully all of you will be dealt with. Harshly.

At this point in the game, do you really think ANet are going to harshly punish thousands of players?

Sifow Chan · Oct 11, 2009, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Reler

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24. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

They might take action on this point.

Look at how well they've dealt with leeching.

Notice the sarcasm.

gone · Oct 11, 2009, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

At this point in the game, do you really think ANet are going to harshly punish thousands of players?

if they want to save face, they had better. hiding behind numbers is no excuse. especially when it's not a subscription based game.

if they are going to allow 'cheating' it's time to fire up certain 3rd party progs.

Esprit · Oct 11, 2009, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by flubber

Lmmfao @ all the 'cheaters' around. looks like this place alone is rife with them. Hopefully all of you will be dealt with. Harshly.

Might as well throw in the people who run/solo dungeons, because I doubt Anet intended dungeons to be played in such a way too.

gone · Oct 11, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Esprit

Might as well throw in the people who run/solo dungeons, because I doubt Anet intended dungeons to be played in such a way too.

why is that, I mean this site, allows it's users to offer it as a service..right?

Winstar · Oct 11, 2009, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by flubber

Lmmfao @ all the 'cheaters' around. looks like this place alone is rife with them. Hopefully all of you will be dealt with. Harshly.

Lets put this into perspective...

The [zero] [rawr] collusion in an GvG MAT = removal of cape trim (in rawr's case they lost their permanent trim for 1 month). No other action.

People using /roll to determine outcomes of matches at the gutter end of the ladder. = /roll is modified so that it cannot be used in matches. No other action.

People use RR to determine the outcome of matches instead of /roll. Only now its more popular because there is potentially a lot of money involved because of the repeatable z-quest. The infraction itself is no more severe than the /roll and not nearly as important as the MAT collusion.

Banning on a mass scale would be absurd. Rollbacks, modifying the way the quest can be updated, or just finally get rid of the format like they said they would seem more reasonable.

Sifow Chan · Oct 11, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Why punish players for something that's not going to exist soon? Once Sealed Deck comes out, everything will be in the past. Besides, how would they determine who was trying to play seriously and who was RRing? I mean serious players could've gotten blue and the red would leave while the blue player is planning to fight. They could be hurting people who did nothing wrong on purpose.

It's always smart to ban a huge amount of players right around the time something new comes out and while the game is in a dying state

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Arkantos · Oct 11, 2009, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by flubber

if they want to save face, they had better. hiding behind numbers is no excuse. especially when it's not a subscription based game.

if they are going to allow 'cheating' it's time to fire up certain 3rd party progs.

If by save face you mean ban thousands of players in a declining game, sure. They announced that HB would be removed, did they really think something like this wouldn't happen?

Also, there's a difference between manipulating a quest for rewards and botting.

Esprit · Oct 11, 2009, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by flubber

why is that, I mean this site, allows it's users to offer it as a service..right?

Just because a fansite allows it to be bought as a service, does not necessarily mean Anet approves of running/soloing dungeons.

Anet may tolerate it, just because it is so popular, just the way they tolerate RR Day now. Of course they plan on removing Hero Battles, but I doubt it was solely because of Red Resign Day. Removing HB is killing two or more birds with one stone, one of which is RR Day.

Moonlight Lust · Oct 11, 2009, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by turbo234

pfft. i like my 6000 balth and 1k every 2 wins

Haha I agree